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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2017.06.20 12:32:12 -
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Uthgaard wrote:Ghost training and afk ratting. But mostly ghost training. Due to incursion farming and the rise in afk carrier ratting & VNI orbiting, ISK faucets exceed ISK sinks, leading to inflation.
Sometimes there is a mistake so blantant in someone's post they accidentally reveal that they don't actually know what they are talking about. This is a case in point. You can't "afk" a carrier and haven't been able to since the introduction of Fighter Squadrons.
"AFKing" Drones ships (mostly vni's and ishtars) is bad, but only on the principle of "you should have to be at your keyboard to earn isk via combat PVE". When you could afk carriers and people were afking ishtars all over the place the money supply was fine.
FIGHTER SQUADRONs from carriers and supers are indeed the problem (before fighter squadrons, economy is fine, after fighter squadrons, disaster) and CCP chickened out on fixing that problem. But it helps to actually know something about the activity and methods people use BEFORE posting. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2017.06.20 12:35:08 -
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DiDDleR wrote:CCP should have stuck to their plans with the Carrier nerf - too many cry baby Carrier pilots threatened to unsub but they probably were PLEXing their accounts anyway... '
There wasn't enough people using carriers and supers for ratting to raise that much of a fuss. The fuss came from people's aversion to the idea that a PVE situation could cause a ship to be changed in a way to makes it lose a lot of utility in PVP.
I'm very much in favor of fighter squadrons being nerfed into the ground and honestly don't care about the loss of PVP power, but it's important to know the real reason why people feel the way they do rather than pretending it's about something else.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
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Posted - 2017.06.20 14:18:25 -
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The definition of "luxury" as it pertains to plex is "something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary ". EVE Online in it's entirety is a luxury.
I'm glad prices are going up even though I'm a plex consumer not a seller. Because plex has been the cause of so much stupidity in EVE.
On the one hand you have the guys who pay EVE casually but started plexing because it was so cheap. So they would play EVE (usually PVPing and having a blast without a care in the world) all month and when they get the game time notification they would go and 'grind out a plex', turning one weekend a month into a 'space job'. The inevitable rise in the cost of plex makes their 'space job' harder, thus to the forums/reddit they go to complain instead of adjusting how they do things in game to make things easier on them (like setting aside a few minutes a few times a week over the course of a month to do things that make isk be it ratting or mining or setting up PI or some light market trading etc).
At the other end of the spectrum is the "unsustainable plex'd empire magnate" with 20+ accounts for whom even slight variations in plex prices causes them fits. It even occurs to people like that that having their enjoyment of the game become dependent on having $300 (U.S.) per month worth of EVE accounts they can't pay cash for if plex prices rise was a drastically stupid mistake to begin with.
Cheap plex made casual EVE players into addicts when plex for game time should have been only the province of time-rich dedicated players (that would then be exchanged with time-poor but cash rich players). Everytime we see one of these plex price anxiety posts, it's just a junkie going through withdrawls. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2017.06.20 16:11:47 -
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Uthgaard wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Uthgaard wrote:Ghost training and afk ratting. But mostly ghost training. Due to incursion farming and the rise in afk carrier ratting & VNI orbiting, ISK faucets exceed ISK sinks, leading to inflation. When you could afk carriers and people were afking ishtars all over the place the money supply was fine. That's why it helps to read an entire post and not sperg out before you finish the third sentence. I barely gave the bounties a a passing mention, yet somehow that's what you managed to get hung up on. Reddit is right. These forums are cancer.
The point is that in order to form an opinion you need to demonstrate that you know what you are talking about. By typing the words "afk carrier ratting" you disproved your own beleifs, because the economy and money supply were fine when afk carrier ratting was possible. Carrier ratting now is an active activity.
I make no claims about the rest of your post, I'm pointing out your self defeating flaw so you won't make it again (those hurt the discussion for those of us who recognize the actual imbalances that need fixing).
TL;DR don't blame me for your screw up or demonstrated lack of knowledge, get it right the 1st time.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2017.06.20 16:20:36 -
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Vash Bloodstone wrote:The price of anything is determined by thousands of different decisions likely made by thousands of different people. The price is the summation of all these different decisions. Anybody who says they know exactly why it's this price or that price is a liar. Some factors may contribute more than others, but at the same time, there are likely many factors unknown and can't be known.
Also, price controls are never the answer, they will likely only lead to shortages, surpluses and more black markets. (real-world trading.)
This is something CCP seems to understand that others don't. the original purpose of plex was to short circuit the isk sellers, and it largely did. But trying to fix the price could inadvertently open up more opportunities for isk sellers, leading to even worse distortions in the overall economy as those isk sellers find sneaky ways to move and launder and bot isk.
I don't have a problem with the plex prices going up. I'm not a rabid anti-multiboxer (I multibox 2 or 3 accounts at a time myself), but i figure it's good for the game overall to see the 'multi-box empires' (like the dude wiith the 50 ice miners that high sec ice miners love to come here and complain about) start to diminish some.
People already know that it's dumb to fly something they can't afford to lose, in the future I hope people learn not to plex more than they can sub.
This is a rule I follow, the max I can justify paying for EVE is 60 bucks a month, so I keep myself to a max of 4 accounts active and thus don't have to have an anxiety attack every time the plex prices change...
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